Fabio Gurgel interview with Stephan Kesting on The Strenuous Life Podcast, Episode 166. Available on iTunes at https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/strenuous-life-podcast-stephan-kesting-grapplearts/id320705565?mt=2, Google Podcasts at https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2tlc3RpbmcubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M%3D, and can also be found on Stitcher, Soundcloud, Google Play, and other podcast providers!
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